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    • I already saw it!

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    • And I loved it!

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    • This might be what could have happened in the SMG series if Game Mechanics weren't a thing: https://giphy.com/gifs/planet-exploding-cN34n6Ka8GrcY

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    • I'm glad you did, XD

      Everytime Mario lands in a galaxy.

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    • Whoops, wrong link, XD

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    • Yeah, pretty much, lol!

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    • There we go, I fixed it, XD

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    • Even better!

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    • IKR? Heh.

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    • At least Mario can breathe in space. It's kind of wierd that Goku usually can't breathe in space, but he can destroy entire universes and possibly more.

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    • Somehow in Galaxy he breathes in space... but can't breathe underwater. XD

      Logic!

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    • Something the Marioverse doesn't usually have, lol.

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    • So true, tho.

      So... crazy how the Marioverse and Sonicverse are around the same level now. Who do you think wins between both verses? I still think the Marioverse due to hax and overall being on a higher scale of the tiers. They might be a tiny bit outnumbered, but numbers don't really matter in such a case.

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    • It's a close match between the god tiers, but I agree Super Dimentio's hax should give them an edge. You know, the reasoning on the Solaris profile is what caused me to update my Sonic profiles.

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    • Definitely a close match, lol. Quite surprising.

      Super Dimentio VS True Enerjak, Paper Mario w/ Pure Hearts VS Post-Genesis Super Sonic... two popular matches can now finally happen. Super Dimentio could create a clone of Luigi and have him fight Titan Tails, and Peach, Bowser, Count Bleck and Mimi can be empowered by the Hearts to assist with everyone else.

      I started trusting it only due to Schlemmer's history. And even then, I still have doubts in the back of my head due to the facial expressions.

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    • Agreed. By the way, what do you think about Excalibur Sonic? Adam thinks he should be Low 2-C with Infinite speed. What do you think?

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    • I think High 3-A for battling Dark Queen, who could erase the timeline of Camelot. But Camelot was a world never really hinted to be a universe. As a matter of fact, it has no signs of celestial objects besides a sky (which only makes the world, at best, the size of a solar system), and was implied to have been within a book that held a planet... and that was all. So it's destroying space-time less than universal in scale. He should have finite speed since it was never implied Dark Queen was outside of space-time, nor had it been shown, and she didn't erase the story at any point, so he never moved in a timeless void. So, he should be FTL for being faster than his base form.

      But that's me, lol.

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    • What about Darkspine? Should he have Infinite Speed?

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    • Not to me. I don't recall anything that shows he erased the space-time continuum during their fight. As a matter of fact, since there was a star in the background of their fight, it seems very likely he hadn't even destroyed space yet. Not to mention that Darkspine talks about how he might be able to dodge light beams from Erazor if he focuses, and how Time Break might work... which slows time. There's too much pointing against it.

      I do believe Erazor would have destroyed the world and rewritten it, but he definitely didn't do so yet.

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    • Oh, I didn't realize that.

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    • I'm glad I showed you something then. :)

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    • So am I.

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    • https://youtu.be/zh0wAgZoRa0?t=3s - There's the star.

      https://youtu.be/zh0wAgZoRa0?t=37s - There's the light beam statement.

      https://youtu.be/zh0wAgZoRa0?t=1m44s - There's the Time Break statement.

      Just so you can see for yourself.

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    • I don't get why VS Battles had Darkspine Sonic at Infinite Speed in the first place.

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    • I have no idea either. Erazor transforms into Alf-Layla Wa Layla, Sonic transforms into Darkspine with Shahra's help, and the worst thing that happens is that the world starts becoming distorted and contorted, not destroyed. And that star proves it.

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    • Exactly! That's another franchise that I HIGHLY disagree with VS Battles' judgment off. The other major ones are Mario and Dragon Ball. I recalced the Donkey Kong moon punch feat several months ago, and one of the admins said it was pure, utter wank. Seriously?!

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    • Mario, Sonic and Dragon Ball are my pet-peeves as well. There are other franchises that are downplayed and wanked, but never anywhere near those three. At least not that I've found.

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    • There might be some out there, but I haven't found a lot. Kirby is also somewhat downplayed and wanked, but not to the same extent as those three. DC Comics and Marvel Comics characters have some downplay too, yet I haven't seen as much of that. I've seen more wank for the former (cough*Superman*cough*) though.

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    • I'm almost positive there are, I'm just not familiar with them.

      And yeah, DC, Marvel and Kirby are good examples. Very good examples.

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    • I'm not sure about Pokemon though. I don't know a lot about the franchise. And as for Tom and Jerry...the verse doesn't have a lot of characters that can fight that well (though some can), and they aren't that common in a VS Debate. I don't think there's a lot of downplay or wank for the verse. At least that I know of.

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    • Klonoa is downplayed for being "inconsistent." But I've seen some wank for the verse, too.

      Pokemon is kinda in between... mostly, they're not wanked, nor downplayed. But they have a lot for both as well, just not abundant.

      Sorry for the delayed response also, I had to go do something.

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    • Really? Klonoa? I know that there's some downplay, but I've never heard of wank for the verse.

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    • I've seen 2-A Klonoa before...

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    • Really?

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    • Yup. I've also seen people say that Klonoa can take on Dreamy Bowser and Archie Sonic, but that's mostly downplay on the latter two's part, rather than wank on the former's part.

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    • Yeah.

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    • Either way, I've only ever seen one person say Klonoa was 2-A, and it was because "dreams have endless possibilities, thus, endless dreams exist." Fallacious, but hey, at least the guy had reasoning.

      So wank is very rare for Klonoa. Downplay, however, is massively common... like Pac-Man being a good match for Klonoa, or Rayman being able to one-shot the verse. :/

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    • Yep. At least he didn't just say he was 2-A for no reason.

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    • Yeah. So yeah, I think I'll revoke what I said, lol. Downplay is far more prominent for Klonoa and his verse.

      F-Zero is downplayed a lot, too.

      Man... I will say that, while wank and downplay are bothersome, they make VS debating what it is. Agreeing is boring. I just wish people were more kind when they disagreed, XD

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    • Same. At least most of the people I've met on DB Fanon Wiki are more respectful than some in the YouTube comments.

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    • And in Google+, XD

      I think G+ is the worst when it comes to hate. If you disagree, they'll do one of the following:

      1. Ban you
      2. Create a community to hate you on
      3. Spread rumors about you

      They're such great people. :)

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    • WHAT?!

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    • Yup! Sure, some of them might be decent debaters. Normally, they're better than YouTube debaters. But when it comes to respect, you're better off on YouTube than G+.

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    • Agreed.

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    • I'm also making a VS thread here soon. I think it'll be fairly neat, lol.

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    • What is it?

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    • I would like it to be a surprise. :)

      It's going to have many rounds to it, though. It'll be a long one.

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    • Oh, okay. Awesome! I'm hyped!

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    • I'm glad. Thank you. :D

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    • By the way, remember Xenomaster on DeviantArt, who made a blog on Mario VS Sans? Apparently he's heavily downplaying the Dragon Ball-verse too.

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    • Oh what the hell, dude. Really?

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    • Yep. It's true.

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    • The dude can't be changed, either. He'll endlessly say you're wrong for no reason.

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    • IKR?

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    • With all due respect i disagee with High 3-A Darkspine and Excalibur Sonic.  Also that doesn't look lile a star it's a bright circle looks most likely like a hole out of the void.

      Also Darkspine Spnic dodged light beam and manipulated time while being in the void so that's something

      If you can provide proof of official canon explicit statements saying that the storybooks dimensions are the size of a planet then I'll change my mind.

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    • I agree with Low 2-C Darkspine, since it's described as a reality. And it looks more like a star, honestly, due to the shine and fluctuations. Also, a "hole in the void" doesn't make sense.

      There's no indication it was a void though.

      Actually, I don't wanna sound rude, but the burden of proof is on you. It's only shown to be planet sized--can you provide proof for it otherwise?

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    • The black ground proves that it's a void. SPM void was black too.

      Wither said that all dimensions are assumed Low 2-C unless proven otherwise, otherwise I'll have to downgrade Rosalina to High 3-A by your logic. If you still disagree then have a chat with him about it.

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    • It doesn't prove anything at all when there's no statements or indications that it was a void. SPM's was stated and shown to be a void. This one, however, was not.

      Not when this space wasn't implied to be any bigger than a planet... just like how the paintings in SM64 were only the size of galaxies, this was only the size of a planet. Rosalina reset a universe, confirmed universe. By your logic, SM64 has 2-C feats. :/

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    • I thought all dimensions have a space time continuum...

      How about you have a civil debate with Wither about Dimensions. If you can win then I'll change my mind about Darkspine and Excalibur Sonic's tiering.

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    • A dimension and/or realm doesn't always have to be universes. All realms have time should they be separate (like Camelot), but if the space isn't the size of the universe, the highest the tier can be is High 3-A.

      Darkspine is fine at Low 2-C w/ FTL speed, but Excalibur should definitely be High 3-A w/ at least FTL speed, IMO. If Wither would like to debate, I'm perfectly fine with that.

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    • http://character-stats-and-profiles.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:4318#67

      It's settled. Base Paper Mario (surived the 2-A Star Rod lightening strike and defeated Dimentio who is the master of dimensions and gave Paper Mario a hard time) now officially solos the Game Sonic Verse in a random encounter seriously I am not kidding.

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    • I completely agree with you. :D

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    • Back then I had no idea how much more powerful Dimentio and Paper Mario would actually be XD

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    • Metal Mario875 wrote:
      Here it is. And that's nice to hear that you're taking a liking to Mario. The franchise is, to me at least, very easily likable. So many good qualities about it. Anyway... here we are:

      108,200,000,000 x 365.25 = 39,520,050,000,000

      39,520,050,000,000 x 85.5 = 3,378,964,275,000,000

      3,378,964,275,000,000 x 7 = 23,652,749,925,000,000

      23,652,749,925,000,000 x 3 = 70,958,249,775,000,000

      Comparing this to Super Dimentio:

      70,113,509,802,000,000,040 / 70,958,249,775,000,000 = 988 (rounded down). So, Super Dimentio is over 988x stronger than Solaris, both high-ends.

      Metal Mario875 wrote:

      365.25 = the length of a year in days

      85.5 = the average lifespan of the people

      7 = the amount of dreams per night

      3 = to account for Sonic's World, Classic Sonic's Dimension and Blaze's Sol Dimention

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    • I'm back!

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    • Awesome! :D

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    • You want to head back to Chat?

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    • Sure!

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    • I made a mistake, apparently. The Mega Mushroom wasn't in DiC. I mixed it up with two other moments where the Bros. grew via outside influences.

      Which makes sense, considering the DiC cartoons started in 1989, and the Mega Mushroom made its debut in 2006. Lol.

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    • I thought so.

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    • Yup. I can't believe I didn't deduce the obvious release date discrepancies, XD

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    • That happens sometimes.

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    • True. Anyway, I'm creating another profile today. It's for the Ancients from SPM. :)

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    • Awesome! I can't wait to see it!

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    • By the way, just wondering, do you think the Hyperbolic Time Chamber should be considered planet-sized, or universe-sized?

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    • Well, the manga states that it's the size of Earth. Do you know of any statements that make it bigger?

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    • In the Buu Saga of the manga, Dende stated it is a separate universe. There are two conflicting statements here, so that's why I'm unsure.

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    • Hmm... judging by how Gohan and Goku aren't nearly as smart as Dende, I'd probably trust his statement more. Plus how they were like "Isn't this supposed to be the size of Earth?"

      Maybe it should be treated as a universe, honestly...

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    • Probably. And would Vegeta destroying it be a 4-D feat? If so, he would be either High Universe level or Universe level+.

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    • Destroying it would definitely be 4-dimensional, since it's a universe with its own space-time. And judging how universes seem fully-fledged in Dragon Ball, I'd say Low 2-C would be good for destroying it.

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    • Wow. Now there's a lot of support for 4-D SSB Goku and Vegeta. First Hit's Time Skip and now this.

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    • SSG Goku's clash is a possibility as well. Then comes along Hit's Time Skip, Goku Black's Fierce God Scythe, and now Vegeta destroying the Hyperbolic Time Chamber.

      That's at least three feats, with a possibility of four.

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    • Yeah, though the former may be less likely, as a few other translations said that there would be nothing left in the universe. I'm not sure if it would just be devoid of matter, or if it would actually become an empty void.

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    • Ah, I see. Going by the CrunchyRoll translation, it said it'd leave the universe as an empty void. And the World of Void has no time nor space.

      Then again, who knows. At least there's three feats, though.

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    • Yep. Though I just realized that Vegeta's feat should only apply to SSB level characters and above. Though it seemed that Vegeta did it in his base form in the Future Trunks Saga, Vegeta later did it after becoming Super Saiyan Blue, so it's more likely Vegeta powered up to SSB, then reverted to normal after destroying the chamber in the first instance. Just wanted to point that out.

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    • I was thinking it'd only apply to Blue level characters regardless. Which is also supported by how Hit and Black are Blue level characters. C:

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    • That actually makes a lot of sense. I didn't think of that.

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    • So it's a lot more consistent than most would think.

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    • Yep.

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    • How far are you on the profiles for the Ancients from SPM?

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    • Finishing up their Powers and Abilities, currently. They shouldn't take long after that. Powers and Abilities always feel like the longest and most tedious part...

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    • That makes sense.

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    • I finished them. :)

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    • Awesome!

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    • Hey Paleo... I was watching through the SPM Facts again, and I found some really interesting things about Dimentio.

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    • Really? What are they?

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    • Okay... so... can you come on chat?

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    • Sure. Just a minute.

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    • Thank you.

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    • No problem.

      Hey Metal wanna come to chat?

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    • I'd love to.

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    • Adamjensen2030 wrote:
      I thought all dimensions have a space time continuum...

      How about you have a civil debate with Wither about Dimensions. If you can win then I'll change my mind about Darkspine and Excalibur Sonic's tiering.


      Wait, didn't we already speak in chat once, me, you and wither? (Don't wanna sound rude, just saying)

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    • Metal and Wither need to have a debate about it. It's the only way we can find out who's right.

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    • Adamjensen2030 wrote:
      Metal and Wither need to have a debate about it. It's the only way we can find out who's right.


      Oh, i see.

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    • Adamjensen2030 wrote:
      Metal and Wither need to have a debate about it. It's the only way we can find out who's right.


      Oh, i see.

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