So... crazy how the Marioverse and Sonicverse are around the same level now. Who do you think wins between both verses? I still think the Marioverse due to hax and overall being on a higher scale of the tiers. They might be a tiny bit outnumbered, but numbers don't really matter in such a case.
Super Dimentio VS True Enerjak, Paper Mario w/ Pure Hearts VS Post-Genesis Super Sonic... two popular matches can now finally happen. Super Dimentio could create a clone of Luigi and have him fight Titan Tails, and Peach, Bowser, Count Bleck and Mimi can be empowered by the Hearts to assist with everyone else.
I started trusting it only due to Schlemmer's history. And even then, I still have doubts in the back of my head due to the facial expressions.
I think High 3-A for battling Dark Queen, who could erase the timeline of Camelot. But Camelot was a world never really hinted to be a universe. As a matter of fact, it has no signs of celestial objects besides a sky (which only makes the world, at best, the size of a solar system), and was implied to have been within a book that held a planet... and that was all. So it's destroying space-time less than universal in scale. He should have finite speed since it was never implied Dark Queen was outside of space-time, nor had it been shown, and she didn't erase the story at any point, so he never moved in a timeless void. So, he should be FTL for being faster than his base form.
Not to me. I don't recall anything that shows he erased the space-time continuum during their fight. As a matter of fact, since there was a star in the background of their fight, it seems very likely he hadn't even destroyed space yet. Not to mention that Darkspine talks about how he might be able to dodge light beams from Erazor if he focuses, and how Time Break might work... which slows time. There's too much pointing against it.
I do believe Erazor would have destroyed the world and rewritten it, but he definitely didn't do so yet.
I have no idea either. Erazor transforms into Alf-Layla Wa Layla, Sonic transforms into Darkspine with Shahra's help, and the worst thing that happens is that the world starts becoming distorted and contorted, not destroyed. And that star proves it.
Exactly! That's another franchise that I HIGHLY disagree with VS Battles' judgment off. The other major ones are Mario and Dragon Ball. I recalced the Donkey Kong moon punch feat several months ago, and one of the admins said it was pure, utter wank. Seriously?!
There might be some out there, but I haven't found a lot. Kirby is also somewhat downplayed and wanked, but not to the same extent as those three. DC Comics and Marvel Comics characters have some downplay too, yet I haven't seen as much of that. I've seen more wank for the former (cough*Superman*cough*) though.
I'm not sure about Pokemon though. I don't know a lot about the franchise. And as for Tom and Jerry...the verse doesn't have a lot of characters that can fight that well (though some can), and they aren't that common in a VS Debate. I don't think there's a lot of downplay or wank for the verse. At least that I know of.
The black ground proves that it's a void. SPM void was black too.
Wither said that all dimensions are assumed Low 2-C unless proven otherwise, otherwise I'll have to downgrade Rosalina to High 3-A by your logic. If you still disagree then have a chat with him about it.
It doesn't prove anything at all when there's no statements or indications that it was a void. SPM's was stated and shown to be a void. This one, however, was not.
Not when this space wasn't implied to be any bigger than a planet... just like how the paintings in SM64 were only the size of galaxies, this was only the size of a planet. Rosalina reset a universe, confirmed universe. By your logic, SM64 has 2-C feats. :/
A dimension and/or realm doesn't always have to be universes. All realms have time should they be separate (like Camelot), but if the space isn't the size of the universe, the highest the tier can be is High 3-A.
Darkspine is fine at Low 2-C w/ FTL speed, but Excalibur should definitely be High 3-A w/ at least FTL speed, IMO. If Wither would like to debate, I'm perfectly fine with that.
It's settled. Base Paper Mario (surived the 2-A Star Rod lightening strike and defeated Dimentio who is the master of dimensions and gave Paper Mario a hard time) now officially solos the Game Sonic Verse in a random encounter seriously I am not kidding.
Metal Mario875 wrote: Here it is. And that's nice to hear that you're taking a liking to Mario. The franchise is, to me at least, very easily likable. So many good qualities about it. Anyway... here we are:
108,200,000,000 x 365.25 = 39,520,050,000,000
39,520,050,000,000 x 85.5 = 3,378,964,275,000,000
3,378,964,275,000,000 x 7 = 23,652,749,925,000,000
23,652,749,925,000,000 x 3 = 70,958,249,775,000,000
Comparing this to Super Dimentio:
70,113,509,802,000,000,040 / 70,958,249,775,000,000 = 988 (rounded down). So, Super Dimentio is over 988x stronger than Solaris, both high-ends.
Metal Mario875 wrote:
365.25 = the length of a year in days
85.5 = the average lifespan of the people
7 = the amount of dreams per night
3 = to account for Sonic's World, Classic Sonic's Dimension and Blaze's Sol Dimention
Destroying it would definitely be 4-dimensional, since it's a universe with its own space-time. And judging how universes seem fully-fledged in Dragon Ball, I'd say Low 2-C would be good for destroying it.
Yeah, though the former may be less likely, as a few other translations said that there would be nothing left in the universe. I'm not sure if it would just be devoid of matter, or if it would actually become an empty void.
Yep. Though I just realized that Vegeta's feat should only apply to SSB level characters and above. Though it seemed that Vegeta did it in his base form in the Future Trunks Saga, Vegeta later did it after becoming Super Saiyan Blue, so it's more likely Vegeta powered up to SSB, then reverted to normal after destroying the chamber in the first instance. Just wanted to point that out.