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  • Hi Paleo, sorry for bothering you. I just have one question. Is this Vegeta canon or not? Because I saw he blowed up a planet and a moon with a finger.
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  • Hi I want to talking about the solar system cal for first form fireza

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  • Now, I very well understand that this is your wiki and as such you can do whatever you want with it, but in my opinion, I do not believe that Goku should be ranked as Multi-Universal, Multiversal, or heck even High Universal or Universal+ and I'll explain why.

    1. 1- Goku and Beerus' clash destroyed the space-time of the macrocosm

    The evidence you listed is, from what I can tell 

    A. Goku destroyed the macrocosm which includes universes like The Afterlife which has it's own space-time

    B. Void is described as a place without space or time in this context as noticed when Zeno erased Merged Zamasu and the world of Void 

    The afterlife is something I have no problems with, it's the idea however that Goku destroyed the space-time of the Universe or was going to. The world of void does seem to have space and time in it 

    Aniraza was able to bend space in the world of void as shown [[1]]and Hit's time powers were able to work in the World of Void, ultimately suggesting that time existed (Not to mention the whole space-time connection). So, since void can mean a place that's devoid of anything but still has space and time, it could just mean that Goku and Beerus were going to destroy the physical matter of the universe and not destroy the universe itself which would make sense when looking at the world of void.

    The rest of the profile is going off of this one feat so skipping..... I would like to adress the hit "Parallel world" time feat. The problem I have with this feat is that there is no indication as to the overall size of the parallel time dimension and as such can't be quantified as justifiication for Multiversal Goku. 

    And as for scaling Jiren to Infinite Zamasu, well....

    the problem with that is that Infinite Zamasu wasn't really a foe of Goku's, he was a foe of Zeno's if anything, and as such since the statements were mostly referring to foes they faced, Infinite Zamasu wouldn't really qualify as one of them.

    So, where do I suggest that Goku should be ranked? Well, UI Goku was still able to shake the world of Void which is infinite in size and as such should be high universal, but I'd argue he's only macroversal via the whole statement itself being unreliable via the WOV showing evidence that it does have space and time, but that's just my nitpicking. 

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    • It is his opinion. 

      I disagree with multiversal myself, but multi universal is legit enough IMO.

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    • You're right that it is his opinion. 

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    • You make a good point about the World of Void, but so far that's all I agree with from what you said. I still stand by the afterlife being a separate space-time, and the shockwaves from Goku and Beerus' clash had to have reached across different space-times to affect the Kaioshin Realm, since it lies outside of both the Afterlife and Living World, and would destroy all of Universe 7.

      Except for the fact that Hit's Time Skip in episode 72 is specifically stated to be able to create a "parallel world", which means it should be nearly identical to the physical universe. Most of the definitions of parallel mean to be very similar to each other. That's why I think it would be best to assume that Hit's world is indeed a universe.

      As for Infinite Zamasu, well, there's no real evidence that Infinite Zamasu >>> Merged Zamasu. Rather, Infinite Zamasu only seems to be left over from Zamasu himself. It was stated that Goku Black was not immortal, and Goku Black and Zamasu being in the same body caused Merged Zamasu's body to deteriorate. Since Goku Black was not immortal, that part of the fusion was destroyed, and Future Zamasu was all that remained. Even if that weren't the case, Goku, Vegeta, and Supreme Kai witnessed the power of Merged Zamasu, Infinite Zamasu, and Jiren. Supreme Kai didn't face Zamasu, but he felt their power, while Goku and Vegeta did fight Infinite Zamasu. The reason they couldn't even do anything to Infinite Zamasu was because Vegeta and Goku couldn't even turn Super Saiyan, and there were no sensu beans left. Plus, when Trunks attacked him, he didn't even use his Super Saiyan Rage form.

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    • Sure, they do exist in seperate space-times (much like how the universe is just the total collection of space so another universe would be a seperate connection of space), but that doesn't mean that he affected time.

      While Hit's time skip is a parallel world, I don't see much saying that it's supposed to parallel our Universe.

      While there's no real evidence that Infinite Zamasu >>> Merged Zamasu, there's not really any evidence to suggest that they scale at all. 

      And while I could argue that they might not have been able to even comprehend Infinite Zamasu, they never really faced him. They fought a fraction of Infinite Zamasu (The planetary Infinite Zamasu, not the whole universal Zamasu), and so I don't necessarily think Jiren scales to the whole Infinite Zamasu, if that makes sense. 

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