Okay bro, we gotta make some changes to Antasma, Dreamy Bowser, Dreamy Luigi, Fawful and Zeekeeper.
First of all, the "big" revision for Dream Team applies to A.P. and speed, both of which need to be upgraded to remain consistent. To begin, Dreamy Luigi possessed the concept of time itself. We already scale him from possessing and altering Luiginary Works like the constellations, so we should do the same for his other feats, including possessing time itself and changing it. This would make Dreamy Luigi Low 2-C. Antasma's full power scales to this for overpowering Dreamy Luigi. This makes things far more consistent, as basically all top tiers in this game are Tier 2, so making infinite power jumps and the like is... odd. Not to mention the fact that this makes Antasma and Dreamy Luigi more within a similar realm of power, which is consistent with the game, even though Antasma is stronger.
From there, we reach speed. Antasma w/ the Dark Stone, Dreamy Bowser, and Zeekeeper are obviously superior to Culex, and with base RPG Bowser beating Culex, a powered up RPG Bowser should scale to such a feat. Considering we already scale Dark Bowser to this as well, it only makes sense. This would give the three of them an Infinite speed rating.
From there, we reach the subject of Fawful. His speed is what needs to be changed--it's all over the place, the scaling is messed up, the links are taking people to an entirely different site, and so on. We gotta fix this.
Do you agree with the upgrades and changes? Do you mind if I change it?
Well, I mean, even if he multiplied his power thousands of times every second, which is clearly not the case, and Forces takes place several years later, which is still not the case, Sonic still would not be Tier 2, since, from where he is, Tier 2 is impossible to reach with finite multipliers. And considering Infinite stomped him into the dirt in their second encounter, Sonic only had, like, a day or two to somehow reach Infinite's power. I feel Sonic shouldn't be Tier 2 personally... not yet. I mean, this is base Sonic's only Tier 2, and even then, there are dozens of contradictions with it.
I agree. As a matter of fact, it is PIS, as there are actual contradictions in the game between feats. A big one is Mania Sonic... Okay, so, Mania Sonic needed the Chaos Emeralds and his Super form to defeat someone powered by the Phantom Ruby in Mania. Meanwhile, in Forces, he can fight someone with an overclocked Phantom Ruby in base. Such scaling is complete and utter contradictory. And not only this, but the Resistance was consistently losing against Infinite. They would have died to the star, which Infinite casually created, but when they manage to get rid of it, Infinite doesn't just... make another one? Hell, maybe ten more? Infinite should have won. Straight up.
I feel Eggman's statement of "a thousandfold" is reliable, but should be taken with a grain of salt, personally. I believe it justifies his superiority over all of Eggman's other machines, including Time Eater, Egg Salamander and Egg Wizard, but by how much is left to be desired.
Here you go, my dude. Infinite gets annoyed, creates a star encompassing the sky, and everyone is extremely threatened and stated to die by such a cataclysm. They're saved by the Avatar's false ruby shard, which breaks after he destroys the star with it. Infinite could just make ten more and they would have no counter. This would mean that the base Sonic characters aren't even above Tier 4 in this game yet took on Tier 2 Infinite.
Infinite should be well above all of Eggman's previous machines combined, so I'd say around 10. On the high-end, it'd be at least 2,000.
Since they can die to a star, our Sun, I'd say they definitely can't be Tier 4 or higher as of yet. They are definitely Tier 5 consistently.
Time Eater can destroy one, Egg Salamander can destroy two, and Egg Wizard can destroy two. Add those together and multiply by two, since Infinite should be above those machines combined. From there, we get a very rough estimate of 10 universes.
It's more so based on how, if you destroy or create the Sun, it is a 4-C feat. Size matters, lol. A star burns enough energy to deal that damage though, XD
Is he, though? Both are powered by the same artifact, though Infinite can draw a lot more power from it; but was the Heavy King a creation of Eggman's? Furthermore, was it a creation of the main timeline's Eggman? Mania Eggman is a different character, like how Mania Sonic is as well. So that wouldn't necessarily apply, though it does make him superior to Heavy King as an individual.
Let's say Infinite were to send a blast powerful enough to blast the sun in 1 second while being 100m what tier would that feat be?
Lots of people try to upgrade Sonic to 2-B based on Sonic Shuffle via Vs Battles but even then even if they upgrade him to 2-B. It's not enough to defeat 2-B Super Dimentio who solos 2-B (debunked) let alone 2-C Solaris via superior abilities and that's if we disregard his superior attack potency.
Honestly, I couldn't tell you off the top of my head. Mind if I get back to you on that one?
I completely agree. :)
That was still Mania Eggman, though. Infinite is superior, but the statement would still be the same even if it included Heavy King.
If you want to include Heavy King, I'd say Infinite's low-end would be 14 universes. But 2,000 would remain as his high-end. Heavy King is probably two, since the Phantom Ruby on its own affected two universes. His high-end is probably the same, lol.
Okay, so this is gonna take a while. We've got Mario, Luigi and Cappy to talk about. Specifically, mostly Cappy and Dreamy Luigi. I'll be talking about hax additions, so this ain't no issue.
Apparently, Possession itself is considered as the power to possess people only, and other subsets of Possession cover other limitations, such as possession of inanimate objects only. Meta Possession says that they can possess multiple things, pretty much anything. That doesn't necessarily extend to extremities such as possessing a higher dimension unless such a feat was already shown.
Now, about Cappy and Dreamy Luigi... First, Cappy.
He definitely applies to this. He has been shown possessing people, animals, robots, objects, electricity itself, and he even possessed actual people in the promotional trailers. Heck, he possessed the Super Mario Odyssey logo and walked around, and could do so to letters and numbers on the screen. He can also seemingly possess the game and activate a cutscene in Odyssey, so that's absolutely ridiculous. I would definitely say Cappy has Meta Possession.
Now, Dreamy Luigi. He also has this. Originally, I believed he could only possess and manipulate Luiginary Works, but I realized that the Luiginary Works are fragments of Luigi's imagination. He could realistically possess anything if Luigi's mind said so. I mean, he literally possessed the concept of gravity itself, yet can't possess a wall and make it open? He already possessed a pillar, so a wall should be nothing. And what's more, is he can enter and power up Mario and Antasma, who are not Luiginary Works.
With all this said, apparently... Cappy and Dreamy Luigi do have Meta Possession. I'd say it's PIS that they can't possess much else outside of what the game allows, which honestly makes sense to me.
Though, for fun, which one has it better? Cappy, for sure. Forcing cutscene activation and possessing text on a screen is a lot more impressive than possessing the concept of gravity, and Dreamy Luigi is still, in a way, limited to what Luigi's imagination allows him to possess. Not to mention how easy it is for Cappy in comparison to Dreamy Luigi.
Anyway, I'm also gonna say Cappy is not outside help. Like F.L.U.D.D. and Master Luma, two guys we don't consider outside help, Cappy stays quiet for a majority of the adventure, and desires to stay with Mario. They offer powers to Mario in similar ways, too. So, Cappy would be added to Mario's profile.
Additionally, Mario gains a weapon in Odyssey called the "Invisibility Hat," which grants him unlimited invisibility, so that's a great thing, lol.
Also is it true that cappy can be cloned? If yes Mario Verse can just throw them at the Sonic Verse and bam! Instant win without bloodshed. Even if Sonic managed to grab cappy and throw it back at Mario it wouldn't affect Mario and other characters since they are used to it and know what they're doing.
I am imagining Super Dimentio breaking Solaris' body parts into pieces and juggling them in a circus as I type this lol
Hell yeah, lol. It's nice to talk to you again, man. I missed it. :)
Well, there's two ways the Marioverse can do that: one, they clone Mario and Cappy with Double Cherries, or two, they use Cappy's other people for the same purpose. Either way, the answer to that is yes. Also, if Sonic caught Cappy and tried to use him on Mario, it wouldn't work, since Cappy wouldn't go against Mario, and would refuse possessing him. Furthermore, Cappy could break out of Sonic's grip if need be. :D
I remember that K.O. we thought of, lol. Man, it's so good. Super Dimentio could do many different things clowney, too.